[13:40] <Pazzo> I've found  "{010) find somebody to do a decent logo" on http://www.linux-vserver.org/index.php?page=ToDo+List+Herbert 15 minutes ago...
[13:41] <Pazzo> I'm not an artist, my job is doing system administration and system & web development - but I wanted to give it a try
[13:42] <Pazzo> what do you think about http://vserver.gelf.net/logo.html ?
[13:42] <Pazzo> Is it
[13:42] <Pazzo> - ugly
[13:42] <Pazzo> - wonderful
[13:42] <Pazzo> - stolen from womewhere
[13:42] <Pazzo> ???
[13:43] <Pazzo> let me know!
[13:44] <Pazzo> is it worth to post it on the ml to ask more people what they think about it?
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[13:58] <redLED> hello :)
[13:59] <Pazzo> hi redled
[13:59] <Pazzo> [13:42] <Pazzo> what do you think about http://vserver.gelf.net/logo.html ?
[14:00] <redLED> hahah cute!
[14:00] <redLED> that penguin is a fatty compared to the normal linux one
[14:01] <redLED> musta been doing some power training
[14:01] <Pazzo> :o)
[14:01] <redLED> i need some enlightenment regarding the marking system in alpha utils
[14:02] <redLED> like, how would i make them all start at boot time in a specific order
[14:02] <Pazzo> would this be a usable logo? I've found the need for a logo on bertls wishlist and wanted to give it a try...
[14:02] <redLED> the documentation is rather terse on that
[14:02] <mcp> what logo are you talkin'bout?
[14:03] <Pazzo> [13:40] <Pazzo> I've found  "{010) find somebody to do a decent logo" on http://www.linux-vserver.org/index.php?page=ToDo+List+Herbert 15 minutes ago...
[14:06] <Pazzo> mcp: http://vserver.gelf.net/logo.html
[14:07] <mcp> hehe nice
[14:08] <SMuZZ> cute one :)
[14:08] <Pazzo> redLED: there is "# Print the vserver name in priority/alpha order" - and "sortserver(){" in alpha-utils in init.d/vservers-legacy - no idea how it works - the alternative would be a selfmade startscript
[14:09] <Pazzo> mcp, SMuZZ: thnx - should I throw it away, make it better - post to the ml... would it be usable as a serious logo?
[14:09] <mcp> Pazzo: post it
[14:10] <Pazzo> ok
[14:11] <axu> nice logo :)
[14:13] <Pazzo> axu: thnx
[14:16] <SMuZZ> Pazzo : I really liked it and it also shows what vserver are, small linux'es inside a big one :)
[14:28] <Pazzo> ok, I've sent it to the mailinglist... I'm about the feedback :o)
[14:31] <Pazzo> s/about/curious about/
[14:32] <ace> Pazzo : Heh, for a second there I thought you had beheaded Tux! :)
[14:34] <ace> Pazzo : How about having three small tuxes, or just two smaller ones just having their top of their heads up.. ? :) (standing next to the small one inside now)
[14:35] <pflanze> hm, I think the logo does not hit the nail very well.
[14:35] <pflanze> The penguin is the logo for the kernel,
[14:36] <pflanze> and vserver is not about running a kernel inside a kernel.
[14:36] <pflanze> That's more appropriate for user-mode linux.
[14:36] <Pazzo> ace: not a bad idea
[14:36] <Pazzo> pflanze: you're right
[14:36] <Pazzo> pflanze: any better idea?
[14:37] <pflanze> I think the "many bricks in a box" idea better, has something heroic on it.
[14:37] <pflanze> But it looses the linux reference, of course.
[14:37] <Pazzo> pflanze: you're talking about http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/concept01.gif ?
[14:37] <pflanze> (Maybe something less concrete would be better in the end?)
[14:37] <pflanze> Pazzo: yes
[14:38] <Pazzo> pflanze: the idea is good... it should show many servers inside a server, to show that it is a linux project a tux-sticker on the primary box would be enough...
[14:39] <pflanze> yes, I just think it's starting to turn out too complex maybe then.
[14:40] <pflanze> But I'm not a designer either, so can't really tell.
[14:40] <Pazzo> pflanze: first I wanted to do something like this - but as you're saying - will be difficult without making it too complex
[14:42] <pflanze> I remember another variant of the box-with-many-parts idea on the old vserver website about a year ago.
[14:42] <Pazzo> pflanze: I've neve seen this "box-with-many-parts" - but would it describe what vserver is doing?
[14:44] <pflanze> I think (from a marketing point of view) it would be best to appeal to people working with "big iron" boxes. (This is what I've meant woth the "heroic" bit above.)
[14:45] <pflanze> Pazzo: I'm trying to find it, moment..
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[14:49] <Pazzo> another variant (with tux): http://vserver.gelf.net/logo2.html
[14:50] <pflanze> Pazzo: this is what I had in mind: http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/miscprj/s_context.hc
[14:50] <pflanze> requires flash to see
[14:52] <pflanze> hehe the new variant looks better  (a bit like parasites :)
[14:52] <Pazzo> pflanze: http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/miscprj/s_context.hc is a nice animation - but not a logo - will be difficult to realize
[14:53] <pflanze> Maybe just paint a crowd with one penguin putting his wings around all of the others?
[14:53] <pflanze> that's less "one is inside the other".
[14:53] <Pazzo> pflanze: that's not a bad idea!
[14:54] <pflanze> thx:)
[14:54] <Pazzo> hmmm...
[14:54] <Pazzo> do you know a good designer?
[14:55] <pflanze> hm, a few, though noone that really knows linux.
[14:56] <Pazzo> pflanze: the crowd/wings variant doesn't show, that there is only one linux running - we need one big tux and (more than one) small things showing that... fuck... I've no idea :o(
[14:56] <pflanze> (I could maybe ask one of them next week, I'll think about how I can persuade him to help.)
[14:56] <Pazzo> s/one linux running/one linux kernel running/
[14:57] <pflanze> It would mirror that there's a crowd of people using this box (a crowd of root admins).
[14:57] <Pazzo> maybe we resolve this by putting any small headless penguins inside a big one =;-)
[14:57] <pflanze> heh
[14:58] <Pazzo> pflanze: a symbol (no tux) for "root admins"?
[14:58] <Pazzo> many black hats?
[14:58] <pflanze> :)
[15:00] <Pazzo> pflanze: what about many racks inside a tux?
[15:03] <Pazzo> do you have a good png showing a rack server without too many details?
[15:03] <Pazzo> google: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i80/rack.png
[15:03] <Pazzo> doesn't look very professional
[15:04] <pflanze> if it's consistent, that's probably no problem.
[15:05] <Pazzo> http://lse.sourceforge.net/numa/ :o)
[15:06] <pflanze> but i'm not sure if a tux with racks inside works; a tux with a drawer in the belly would probably stand for a database (a la filemaker), dunno if that works for vserver.
[15:07] <pflanze> hehe, nice logo (not looking that professional but nice nonetheless).
[15:08] <pflanze> I'll keep silent now and go back to work.
[15:09] <pflanze> I'll tell if I have better ideas.
[15:12] <Pazzo> pflanze: wait a minute - I have another one... just a second
[15:12] <pflanze> I'll stay here for the whole day
[15:12] <pflanze> (just not necessarily reading.)
[15:13] <Pazzo> http://vserver.gelf.net/logo3.html
[15:14] <Sebastian> hrhr
[15:14] <Sebastian> :)
[15:14] <Sebastian> nice logo
[15:14] <Pazzo> sebastian: thnx - wich one do you prefer? what should be done different/better?
[15:14] <pflanze> yep, nice
[15:14] <Pazzo> thnx pflanze
[15:16] <Sebastian> Pazzo: i prefer this one http://vserver.gelf.net/logo2.html . what could be better, i think nothing :). i like it how it is
[15:16] <pflanze> 'the penguin that has absorbed a rack'
[15:17] <pflanze> s/that/who/
[15:19] <Pazzo> sebastian: I prefer logo.html and logo2.html too - but as pflanze says: they may tell you that there is running a linux kernel (as the tux is the logo for the kernel) inside a kernel - and that is right for uml, but not for vserver. if you see the tux as a symbol for linux in general, it tells you that vserver is running linux (distributions) inside linux - and that's right.
[15:19] <Pazzo> we could also put logos of different distros inside a tux
[15:20] <pflanze> I find the rack-eating idea better than both disto logos and the tux inside tux.
[15:21] <Pazzo> pflanze: "the penguin who has absorbed a rack" is exactly that linux-vserver is doing - it helps you wasting rackspace
[15:21] <pflanze> wasting?
[15:21] <Pazzo> s/that/what/
[15:21] <pflanze> you mean avoid wasting?
[15:21] <Pazzo> pflanze: yes, sorry
[15:22] <Pazzo> s/wasting/avoid wasting/
[15:23] <Pazzo> ok, I'll post the last two variants to the mailinglist - and then I have to do some other work...